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		<title>By: Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.mikestopforth.com/2006/12/20/traffic-stats-are-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-1901</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Dec 2006 07:48:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As usual, Scrivs has a &lt;a href=&quot;http://wisdump.com/web/traffic-is-magical/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;good take&lt;/a&gt; on this issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As usual, Scrivs has a <a href="http://wisdump.com/web/traffic-is-magical/" rel="nofollow">good take</a> on this issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis McDonald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis McDonald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Dec 2006 22:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with all the analytical and measurement problems associated with current metrics -- I used to crunch nunbers for a living -- but I am less concerned about these issues since I don&#039;t sell advertising. 

Plus, having been tracking Google Analytics for over a year, I&#039;ve noticed a pretty high correlation between page views and unique visits (I don&#039;t have multipage documents). 

I&#039;m basically  interested in connecting with people via my blog. So I care about relative page views (which is why I publish a &quot;top ten&quot; list every week) plus I care about how people navigate (which has led me to modify the layout and contents of my inital page and the links available from all pages).   

So I guess when I wear my statistics hat I am ready to criticize current metrics (http://www.ddmcd.com/rattle.html) but, in the scheme of things, I don&#039;t really care that much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with all the analytical and measurement problems associated with current metrics &#8212; I used to crunch nunbers for a living &#8212; but I am less concerned about these issues since I don&#8217;t sell advertising. </p>
<p>Plus, having been tracking Google Analytics for over a year, I&#8217;ve noticed a pretty high correlation between page views and unique visits (I don&#8217;t have multipage documents). </p>
<p>I&#8217;m basically  interested in connecting with people via my blog. So I care about relative page views (which is why I publish a &#8220;top ten&#8221; list every week) plus I care about how people navigate (which has led me to modify the layout and contents of my inital page and the links available from all pages).   </p>
<p>So I guess when I wear my statistics hat I am ready to criticize current metrics (<a href="http://www.ddmcd.com/rattle.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ddmcd.com/rattle.html</a>) but, in the scheme of things, I don&#8217;t really care that much.</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun Dewberry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shaun Dewberry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Dec 2006 20:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Google has the right idea (once again). Their &quot;Site overlay&quot; feature on Google Analytics allows you to measure mouse clicks mapped to certain areas of a page. Presumably this is through some javascript/ajax wizardy. It&#039;s bound to be more effective than page views in the AJAX/dynamic page age. It&#039;s still far from perfect, but if some standard can be built around measuring this metric I think it&#039;s the most reliable current measurement of site activity.

RSS is a fair bit trickier, but the final solution (if there is one) could require a combination of RSS subscription hits with the above &quot;page click&quot; count. This still leaves the problem of duplicate visits which need to be filtered based on, I don&#039;t know, maybe sessions or something (thinking of users behind a proxy here). A session id on the RSS feed could help.

Hmmm, can&#039;t solve the net&#039;s problems yet - lemme grab another  beer and think about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Google has the right idea (once again). Their &#8220;Site overlay&#8221; feature on Google Analytics allows you to measure mouse clicks mapped to certain areas of a page. Presumably this is through some javascript/ajax wizardy. It&#8217;s bound to be more effective than page views in the AJAX/dynamic page age. It&#8217;s still far from perfect, but if some standard can be built around measuring this metric I think it&#8217;s the most reliable current measurement of site activity.</p>
<p>RSS is a fair bit trickier, but the final solution (if there is one) could require a combination of RSS subscription hits with the above &#8220;page click&#8221; count. This still leaves the problem of duplicate visits which need to be filtered based on, I don&#8217;t know, maybe sessions or something (thinking of users behind a proxy here). A session id on the RSS feed could help.</p>
<p>Hmmm, can&#8217;t solve the net&#8217;s problems yet &#8211; lemme grab another  beer and think about it.</p>
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		<title>By: stii.za.net &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Traffic stats and web advertising</title>
		<link>http://www.mikestopforth.com/2006/12/20/traffic-stats-are-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-1860</link>
		<dc:creator>stii.za.net &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Traffic stats and web advertising</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Dec 2006 13:58:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I&#8217;ve seen quite a bit lately on web advertising. Mike wrote an interesting article &#8220;Traffic stats are dead&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I&#8217;ve seen quite a bit lately on web advertising. Mike wrote an interesting article &#8220;Traffic stats are dead&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.mikestopforth.com/2006/12/20/traffic-stats-are-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-1859</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Dec 2006 13:44:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comments Tyler - comments box will magically expand in size in the next few days :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comments Tyler &#8211; comments box will magically expand in size in the next few days <img src='http://www.mikestopforth.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Tyler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tyler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Dec 2006 13:34:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think a sites worth can be measured in a few areas, depending on the type of site.

&lt;b&gt;1. Blog&lt;/b&gt;
The amount of quality posts matched with users comments on those posts. Eg. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.techcrunch.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Techcrunch&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;b&gt;2. Social Sites&lt;/b&gt;
The user base and the frequent activity of those users. I mean its useless having 100 000 users registered on your site if only 100 of them actually contribute. Eg. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.flickr.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Flickr&lt;/a&gt; &amp; &lt;a href=&quot;http://digg.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;digg&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;b&gt;3. Search Engines&lt;/b&gt;
Well this is an easy one, on the amount of queries handled and the variation of those queries, unless it is a niche search engine. Eg. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thatshoe.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ThatShoe&lt;/a&gt; by Incubeta.

P.S. Mike please make this comment box bigger. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think a sites worth can be measured in a few areas, depending on the type of site.</p>
<p><b>1. Blog</b><br />
The amount of quality posts matched with users comments on those posts. Eg. <a href="http://www.techcrunch.com" rel="nofollow">Techcrunch</a></p>
<p><b>2. Social Sites</b><br />
The user base and the frequent activity of those users. I mean its useless having 100 000 users registered on your site if only 100 of them actually contribute. Eg. <a href="http://www.flickr.com" rel="nofollow">Flickr</a> &amp; <a href="http://digg.com" rel="nofollow">digg</a></p>
<p><b>3. Search Engines</b><br />
Well this is an easy one, on the amount of queries handled and the variation of those queries, unless it is a niche search engine. Eg. <a href="http://www.thatshoe.com/" rel="nofollow">ThatShoe</a> by Incubeta.</p>
<p>P.S. Mike please make this comment box bigger. <img src='http://www.mikestopforth.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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